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The Brothers WISP 181 – The Cake is not a Lie for ISPs


This week we have Tommy, Jon Fernandez, David Taht, Robert Chacon, Dan Siemon and Zach Biles


00:00:00 Introductions
00:05:10 Dave Taht’s Story
00:18:00 What is Buffer Bloat?
00:25:50 Dave’s Poem about Congestion
00:28:30 Dave’s Mission
00:30:10 What is FQ_Codel?
00:44:30 What have various implementations been focused towards?
00:47:50 New Zealand Example and the ECN Bit
00:51:20 What does CAKE do different than FQ_Codel
01:04:30 Congestion isn’t just in our Links, looking at the insane time scale of BW
01:09:50 How different protocols handle being queued (Not everything is IPv4/TCP)
01:25:10 Where should you be doing your proper Queuing
01:34:00 How well has FQ_Codel and CAKE been implemented? (Kinda poorly)
01:37:00 Dynamic BW availability controls?
01:42:30 Wrapping Up
01:54:00 Dave’s 3 Points

How to get ahold of people
Dave: [email protected] https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Daves_Media_Guidance/
Zach: zachbiles.net
Robert: https://libreqos.io/
Dan: www.coverfire.com Preseem.com
Jon: https://geekitek.com/

The Blind Men and the Elephant

Personal Blog Post by Dan Siemon about QUIC https://www.coverfire.com/archives/2023/07/11/the-rise-of-udp/

Preseem Podcast

Not mentioned in the cast, but informational pages that were very helpful for me in my learning process. (Mikrotik’s documentation has gotten a lot better in the last few months thank goodness.)


The Brothers WISP 180 – Communicating in an Outage


This week we have Tommy, Dennis Burgess (LinkTechs), Thomas Kirnak and Justin Miller.


00:00:00 Introductions
00:02:15 Sponsors and Patreon
00:04:00 Bad actor companies on FB & RF Elements
00:07:05 Going back to secorized pannels?
00:09:25 WRT54G, That Belongs in a Museum!
00:13:52 Bad Credit Card Machines and UNIFI
00:17:45 New PCI Compliance Testing Rules
00:22:06 OWASP Top 10 and Security Testing
00:27:05 Penetration Testing Fun
00:32:40 Communicating in an Outage
00:52:50 Topolograph
00:54:11 Memorizing Your Network and Maping it
01:01:00 Big F’n Deal, ROS is now Feature Complete! \s
01:09:45 ChatGPT won’t be replacing Network Admins
01:12:45 IEEE Talking about LET Bandwidth Limitations
01:18:30 Backup Connections Building and Selling them to Customers
01:25:10 Spectrum will no longer sell to WISPs (Official)
01:29:10 Frontier’s fiber build budget has been spent and other issues with the big carriers.
01:32:00 O-Band Optics
01:34:30 Fiber should be done on Fridays!
01:39:30 DHCP Lease Times? Use the right tech!
01:48:05 BGP Knobs to turn
01:49:00 Outro, BDC is happening

YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/PRVQgQ_NOlQ

Dennis – [email protected] (or if you want to call him listen to the video)
Justin – dynstatic.net
Tomas – unimus.net

OWASP Top 10 https://owasp.org/www-project-top-ten/
Topolograph https://topolograph.com/
BGP Knobs to Tune https://archive.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/Freedman_bgp102_1_N45.pdf
IEEE Talking about LEO Bandwidth Limitations https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9568932?denied=
O-Band https://www.fiberlabs.com/glossary/original-band/


The Brothers WISP 179 – WISPAMERICA 2023


This week we have Tommy, Jeremy Austin, Mike Hammett, Thomas Kirnak and Justin Miller

We are talking about the WISPA America show in Louisville Kentucky.


The Brothers WISP 178 – Cambium cnHeat Vendor Spotlight


This week we have Tommy, Andrew Kaiser and Seth Poche (of Cambium).


Hey guys, this is a vendor spotlight from Cambium on their cnHeat project and how to use it for BDC submissions.


Andrew’s WISP


The Brothers WISP 177 – X86 vs ASIC, Why We Don’t Need Custom Hardware


This week we have Tommy, Justin Wilson, Greg Lipschitz, Tom Mitchell (netElastic) and Paul Mannion (From Intel).


Sorry about the long delay between casts guys, life happened and I have been a bit preoccupied. But we have a great episode for y’all today.

I met Tom at WISPAPalooza 2022 and we thought it would be fun to chat with Paul Mannion who rocks Intel’s Next Generation Broadband Architecture and we are talking about what can be done with X86 these days.


The Brothers WISP 176 – Nutrition Labels, Ubiquiti Wave AP hitting GA and Preparing for Bad Weather


This week we have Tommy, Dennis Burgess, Chad Wachs and Andrew Horton.


00:00:00 Intro and Sponsors
00:08:05 FCC Nutrition Labels are official
00:16:30 Andrew’s going big and his story
00:27:30 Wave AP hitting GA
00:30:30 Battery Backup thougths
00:33:00 Tommy Needs a life
00:34:15 Getting ready for the Storm
00:41:00 Open Access Community Networks
00:53:45 Ubiquiti, 6GHz and WiFI 6/e
01:03:20 28% of Customer Support Story
01:08:45 BDC Challenges are a CF
01:17:30 Mikrotik 100G SFP for $350
01:24:40 BDC Round 2 hitting Jan 1st (Yeah, it’s a CF)
01:32:00 Signing off


The Brothers WISP 175 – Installer Tools


This week we have Tommy, Jon Fernandez and Mark LaManna talking about installer tools. I am pushing the video version of the cast this week because we spent a lot of time looking at pictures of stuff.


00:00:00 Sponsors and Patreon
00:03:00 Introductions
00:06:00 Kinipex Scisors
00:08:18 Towels and Cleaning Supplies
00:10:35 RJ-45 Couplers and NIDs (Do as Tommy says, not as he does.)
00:17:00 Battery Powered PoE Injectors
00:22:30 Laptops and Installer Policy and Training (We really wandered around here on thoughts on installers)
00:42:20 Drill battery for PoE injection
00:44:30 Drill Bits and Hole Sizes
00:46:50 Installer Efficency
00:51:00 VFL Stuff
00:53:55 Mikrotik GPEN 21
00:55:40 Various PoE Injectors and Step up/down converters
00:56:20 Driver Bits, Pass Through Sockets and Labeling
01:01:40 Telephone Testing Tools
01:04:15 Wire Strippers and Snips (always have a good pair)
01:06:30 Mark’s Pro Tip (Tools in one area at a time and only go through one entrance)
01:08:10 Vibratory Tools are magical (not those ones)
01:09:45 Can Wrenches
01:10:35 VFL and Fiber Installer Tools (Pre-terminated is bad)
01:21:15 Preferred Tools and What Maybe making a favorite Tool list.
01:22:50 How to Get ahold of people

Knipex 95 05 155 SB Electrician’s Shears 6,1″ https://a.co/d/1rnzwUl
VCELINK Waterproof RJ45 Connector Shielded, Cat6/Cat5E/Cat5 Ethernet Coupler IP67, Outdoor Ethernet LAN Cable Extender Female to Female Adapter 5-Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09R3P2KRJ/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_5wHdNbKHJ6oPg
Mikrotik RouterBoard mAP RBmAP2nD micro Access Point wireless Dual-Chain https://a.co/d/gepUoon
Mini UPS Battery Backup Uninterruptible Power Supply for Router, Modem, Security Camera, Built-in 10000mAh with Input AC Output USB 5V DC 9V/12V 2A Gi https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0921SB3LJ/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_lNxIECUAIXC3g
Jon’s Preferred Laptop for his Peeps https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Display-Processor-Bluetooth-Enabled-NP930QCG-K01US/dp/B0892V5MHR/
The new model of what Tommy was running back in the day https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/latitude-3120-education/spd/latitude-11-3120-2-in-1-laptop
Power Wheel Adapter for Milwaukee M18 Battery 18v Dock Power Connector 14 Gauge Robotics,Good Power Convertor for DIY Ride On Truck, Robotics, RC Toys and Work Lights https://a.co/d/hhj06wk
toolant Four Spiral Flute Cobalt Step Drill Bit Set, 1/8″-7/8″(3pcs) Impact Ready Four-Flute Step Bit, 1/4″ Hex Shank Unibit Step Bit for Metal, Stainless Steel, Aluminum, Wood, Plastic https://a.co/d/bg4u8A6
FC Male to LC Female UPC Fiber Optical Cable Connector Convertor Adapter Flange 2.5 1.25mm Single Mode Compatible with FTTH Optical Power Meter OPM Visual Fault Locator VFL 4pcs https://a.co/d/83fCT4A
Tycon Systems POE-INJ-1000-WT High PoE 4 Pair Injector https://a.co/d/7gitXs4
LEDMO 48V Step Down to DC 12V 20A 240W DC/DC Converter Regulator Reducer for Golf Cart Scooters Bicycles Club Car https://a.co/d/0BG1ZYb
MOFEEZ Bus Bar -3×1/4”Post,10x#8 Screw Terminal Power Distribution Block with Ring Terminals(Pair – Red & Black) https://a.co/d/89A7Id7
HOMELYLIFE DC Voltage Regulator Buck Converter DC 48V Step Down to 24V 10A 240W Reducer Power Converter Waterproof Module Transformer for Golf Cart Club Car https://a.co/d/b6eIIBh
ARES 70640-8-Piece Metric Magnetic Impact Nut Driver Bit Set – Impact Grade Nut Setters with Industrial Strength Magnets https://a.co/d/0JiH5pJ
Wiha 70486 | 6 Piece Color Coded Magnetic Nut Setter Set https://a.co/d/gXEZNZn
Fluke Networks 19800009 TS19 Telephone Test Set with Angled Bed-of-Nails Clips https://a.co/d/dv7exmu
KNIPEX Tools 13 72 8 Forged Wire Stripper, 8-Inch https://a.co/d/frOaYJV
KNIPEX 74 22 200 Comfort Grip High Leverage Angled Diagonal Cutter, 8-Inch, Angled, Comfort Grip https://a.co/d/gt8JGQS
TUFTA Electrical Box Cutout Saw for Oscillating Multitools, Drywall Cutting Tool for Single Gang Boxes, Drywall Cutter, Sheetrock & Dry https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09TYV2H9B/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_ThCuQiep3dREQ
Anker USB C Charger, Anker 717 Charger (140W), PD 3.1 PPS Laptop Charger for MacBook Pro 16″, MacBook Air, iPad Pro, Galaxy S22/S21, Dell XPS 13, No https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09W2R6SHB/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_MC65HlZOhK2Th
4Pcs 1.5 Meter LC Cable 6 Strand SingleMode 9/125 LC-UPC Fiber Pigtail, 6 Color-Coded Fiber Optic LC Patch Cord with Ceramic Ferrule Plug for Fusion S https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09H58SKV2/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_AFjk9Cfbt5ZWS
Goal Zero Sherpa 100 AC Portable Power Bank https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HFHTGX3/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_o4HgCne7bRRZP
100 Pcs Lever Connectors Nuts 5 Conductor Combination Compact Wire Connectors Fast Connection Terminal 28-12 AWG Suitable for Multiple Types https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FT33Q19/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_yjvHDyiMuwo7M
Jonard Tools SSK-876 Star Key Can Wrench Kit, LC, LG, LB, & LS Patterns https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UFIH956/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_eErEfgntrMLqN
Visual Fault Locator 30mW 30KM, VFL Tester Kit Include Single Mode 9/125um FC Male to LC Female Adapter, Red Light Pen for Fiber Network Cable Test https://a.co/d/0hfl0id
Dymo 1755749 Rhino 5200 Industrial Label Maker, 5 Lines, 6-1/10W X 11-2/9D X 3-1/2H https://a.co/d/iSuyCM9
NOVOO USB C Hub 8 in 1 USB-C Dock with Hidden Cable, Ethernet 4K HDMI Multiport Adapter 100W USB C Dongle 3 USB 3.0, SD/TF Card Reader, Type C Hub for https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HNXRX5T/ref=cm_sw_r_apanp_F4kr6u8PsLD5 Works for Android Linux and OSX / iPadOS


The Brothers WISP 174 – Interview with David Zumwalt CEO of WISPA


This week we have Tommy and Jeremy Austin interviewing David Zumwalt CEO of WISPA.


Special thanks to Jeremy this week, to make these notes I basically just had to look to see where he spoke to make each chapter note 😉

00:00:00 Intro, ads and such
00:02:53 Introductions
00:04:45 David’s history
00:11:20 David’s Tasks
00:17:10 WISPA and Fiber
00:26:00 Difficulties for WISPs transitioning?
00:30:00 Communicating Bandwidth Requirements
00:38:25 Net neutrality and WISPs
00:42:00 FCC Wireless Policy and WISPA’s work there.
00:48:30 Vendor, WISPA and NTIA discussing why fixed wireless is reliable.
00:54:10 WISAP Outreach to non-WISPs/non-Members
00:59:29 Buying Bulk and why WISPA doesn’t do it.
01:01:00 Signing out
01:02:50 Women of WISPA

David Zumwalt
[email protected]

Jeremy Austin
[email protected]



The Brothers WISP 173 – IX Cast Number Two!


This week we have Tommy, Justin Wilson, Martin Weddle and John Osmon.


The Week we dive deeper into the actual operation of and joining an IX.

00:00:00 Sponsors
00:03:00 Introductions
00:04:20 Justin’s IX and how it’s built
00:09:10 Martin’s experience joining an IX
00:10:25 Security and Route Filtering Considerations
00:17:15 Route Servers Role
00:19:00 The Cheat Codes of IX Coolness (HE is pretty cool)
00:21:20 Why IXs have policies
00:25:00 Other Services that IXs Offer
00:27:30 Other places where IXs would be useful
00:34:00 Historical IXs using Non-Ethernet Tech
00:36:30 Rules most IXs have and Good Behavior
00:43:30 The Major Market Problem
00:51:30 Dr. Peering (Link Below)
00:54:05 Top Down ISP’s not wanting to Peer (Peering Policies)
00:59:45 Peering DB and having a IRR
01:05:00 Mutual Transit across an IX
01:07:00 Bill Woodcock and how IXs don’t want to get too big, they loose focus.
01:10:00 Why local IXs are beneficial
01:12:45 How IXs can benefit Cloud Computing Applications.
01:16:00 Other Thoughts and Removing Barriers to Entry
01:21:00 Having to be a Network Engineer
01:25:00 Network Operators Group Call Out
01:29:00 Packets Down Range and Signing Off


Justin’s Blog: https://j2sw.com/
Justin’s IX: https://fd-ix.com/
Justin’s News Blog:

Packets Down Range #4: Security, Streaming & rate hikes,ARM processor news

https://packetsdownrange.com/ (Link is broken at the moment)

John Osmon
[email protected]

Martin’s NOG Reccomendation.
Some others that were mentioned:




The Brothers WISP 172 – Baltic Box, Valve company organization and other News


This week we have Tommy and Justin Miller.


The Week We discuss

00:02:00 Sponsors
00:07:30 Baltic Box (Also not at WISPAPallooza)
00:17:00 Mikrotik No More Tile Chips can be bought
00:19:45 Mikrotik only ARM will be able to do ZeroTier
00:24:30 Quad 9 is getting sued for resolving DNS
00:31:05 Law firms are billing people for useless paperwork
00:35:45 Cloudflare ISP Botnet Feed
00:44:00 Running your own email server and Justin’s history.
00:52:30 Doing VoIP not to your own ISP’s customers.
00:56:00 Discord, Justin and Tommy’s gaming habits.
01:00:45 Valve Employee Handbook and Managing People
01:12:30 VR Talk
01:17:20 Jeff Gurling Ansible Book. Justin’s wanting to build a new more efficient home server.
01:32:00 How to get ahold of people


End-of-Sale and End-of-Life of TILE-based CCR from mikrotik