The Brothers WISP 181 – The Cake is not a Lie for ISPs

This week we have Tommy, Jon Fernandez, David Taht, Robert Chacon, Dan Siemon and Zach Biles

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00:00:00 Introductions
00:05:10 Dave Taht’s Story
00:18:00 What is Buffer Bloat?
00:25:50 Dave’s Poem about Congestion
00:28:30 Dave’s Mission
00:30:10 What is FQ_Codel?
00:44:30 What have various implementations been focused towards?
00:47:50 New Zealand Example and the ECN Bit
00:51:20 What does CAKE do different than FQ_Codel
01:04:30 Congestion isn’t just in our Links, looking at the insane time scale of BW
01:09:50 How different protocols handle being queued (Not everything is IPv4/TCP)
01:25:10 Where should you be doing your proper Queuing
01:34:00 How well has FQ_Codel and CAKE been implemented? (Kinda poorly)
01:37:00 Dynamic BW availability controls?
01:42:30 Wrapping Up
01:54:00 Dave’s 3 Points

How to get ahold of people
Dave: dave.taht@gmail.com https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Daves_Media_Guidance/
Zach: zachbiles.net
Robert: https://libreqos.io/
Dan: www.coverfire.com Preseem.com
Jon: https://geekitek.com/

The Blind Men and the Elephant

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7567
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8290
https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2209336
Personal Blog Post by Dan Siemon about QUIC https://www.coverfire.com/archives/2023/07/11/the-rise-of-udp/

Preseem Podcast

Not mentioned in the cast, but informational pages that were very helpful for me in my learning process. (Mikrotik’s documentation has gotten a lot better in the last few months thank goodness.)
https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/
https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/tc-cake.8.html
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/Queues#Queues-FQ-Codel
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.07617.pdf
https://lwn.net/Articles/758353/