{"id":1519,"date":"2023-07-27T05:21:16","date_gmt":"2023-07-27T11:21:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thebrotherswisp.com\/?podcast=the-brothers-wisp-181-the-cake-is-not-a-lie-for-isps"},"modified":"2023-07-27T05:21:16","modified_gmt":"2023-07-27T11:21:16","slug":"the-brothers-wisp-181-the-cake-is-not-a-lie-for-isps","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/thebrotherswisp.com\/index.php\/podcast\/the-brothers-wisp-181-the-cake-is-not-a-lie-for-isps","title":{"rendered":"The Brothers WISP 181 \u2013 The Cake is not a Lie for ISPs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/thebrotherswisp.com\/files\/thebrotherswisp.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"428\" height=\"428\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>This week we have Tommy, Jon Fernandez, David Taht, Robert Chacon, Dan Siemon and Zach Biles <\/p>\n<p>**Sponsors**<br \/>\nSonar.Software<br \/>\nTowercoverage.com<br \/>\nPreseem.com<br \/>\nstore.viloliving.com<br \/>\n**\/Sponsors**<\/p>\n<p>00:00:00 Introductions<br \/>\n00:05:10 Dave Taht&#8217;s Story<br \/>\n00:18:00 What is Buffer Bloat?<br \/>\n00:25:50 Dave&#8217;s Poem about Congestion<br \/>\n00:28:30 Dave&#8217;s Mission<br \/>\n00:30:10 What is FQ_Codel?<br \/>\n00:44:30 What have various implementations been focused towards?<br \/>\n00:47:50 New Zealand Example and the ECN Bit<br \/>\n00:51:20 What does CAKE do different than FQ_Codel<br \/>\n01:04:30 Congestion isn&#8217;t just in our Links, looking at the insane time scale of BW<br \/>\n01:09:50 How different protocols handle being queued (Not everything is IPv4\/TCP)<br \/>\n01:25:10 Where should you be doing your proper Queuing<br \/>\n01:34:00 How well has FQ_Codel and CAKE been implemented? (Kinda poorly)<br \/>\n01:37:00 Dynamic BW availability controls?<br \/>\n01:42:30 Wrapping Up<br \/>\n01:54:00 Dave&#8217;s 3 Points <\/p>\n<p>How to get ahold of people<br \/>\nDave: dave.taht@gmail.com https:\/\/www.bufferbloat.net\/projects\/bloat\/wiki\/Daves_Media_Guidance\/<br \/>\nZach: zachbiles.net<br \/>\nRobert: https:\/\/libreqos.io\/<br \/>\nDan: www.coverfire.com Preseem.com<br \/>\nJon: https:\/\/geekitek.com\/<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"HDO6ynke7p\">\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/gettys.wordpress.com\/2018\/02\/11\/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant\/\">The Blind Men and the&nbsp;Elephant<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" title=\"&#8220;The Blind Men and the&nbsp;Elephant&#8221; &#8212; jg&#039;s Ramblings\" src=\"https:\/\/gettys.wordpress.com\/2018\/02\/11\/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant\/embed\/#?secret=nnSaNA5Pfl#?secret=HDO6ynke7p\" data-secret=\"HDO6ynke7p\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/datatracker.ietf.org\/doc\/html\/rfc7567<br \/>\nhttps:\/\/datatracker.ietf.org\/doc\/html\/rfc8290<br \/>\nhttps:\/\/queue.acm.org\/detail.cfm?id=2209336<br \/>\nPersonal Blog Post by Dan Siemon about QUIC https:\/\/www.coverfire.com\/archives\/2023\/07\/11\/the-rise-of-udp\/<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Y8zEh2zOTu\">\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/preseem.com\/podcast\/\">Preseem Podcast<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" title=\"&#8220;Preseem Podcast&#8221; &#8212; Preseem\" src=\"https:\/\/preseem.com\/podcast\/embed\/#?secret=G0JFWWDqVc#?secret=Y8zEh2zOTu\" data-secret=\"Y8zEh2zOTu\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Not mentioned in the cast, but informational pages that were very helpful for me in my learning process. 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